You know, I always think of him like a standup comedian where, you know, good standup comedians that go up and they get feedback from the room, and they iterate. It was the seventh most-watched show in the first quarter of 2017. Its a real party. Rachel Maddow: I found my way to the story a little bit backwards. For an optimal experience visit our site on another browser. Why Is This Happening? is presented by MSNBC and NBC News, produced by Doni Holloway and Brendan O'Melia, engineered by Bob Mallory and features music by Eddie Cooper. And theres people who have done better scholarship on Coughlin that I can even sum up here, let alone try to ape. We have all this stuff. They go absolutely crazy against the justice department, threaten the justice department, go to the attorney-general, tell him that you fired these prosecutors get rid of this thing, and they do. And why have you never heard of this guy? The Today Show executive was not fired. Rachel Maddow: Its about there being a bad guy, that bad guy not being you --. Its called "The Christian Front: Coughlins Storm Troopers," which was put out by an anti-fascist organization that was trying to raise awareness about the Christian Front. And they were acquitted. Chris Hayes: But thats why, to me, your focus here on the sort of civic antibodies are so key, right? And, to me, when I started to understand the story, that's when I felt like, "Oh, I need to make it right away.". Rachel printed it out from a digital archive for me because the first part of it is all about the anti-semitic menacing that fascist groups were doing in the Bronx in the late 1930s. The Rachel Maddow Show replays a portion of his interview with Rachel Maddow in which he discusses whether he's a player or spectator in the game of politics. Rachel Maddow: I know, but its a speech about the Jews, about the evil --, Rachel Maddow: -- of the Jews. Chris Hayes: I don't know whose secretary is. Chris Hayes: Well, so let's talk about before we get to the podcast --. August 14, 2022 12:13pm. And I want them to tell that story. Justice Department caves, fires the prosecutor. Hayes was said to transition better to The Rachel Maddow Show because he is seen as just as policy-oriented as Maddow. That's awesome. And as such, your failed plot is a failed plot and can be minimized as unserious --, Rachel Maddow: -- and unthreatening. Great reason --. But at the same time, like, could you get a successful seditious conspiracy prosecution against Donald Trump with all the evidence we have? Rachel Maddow: And so, I am working past midnight now instead of stopping working at --. I think that American activism waxes and wanes and is maybe less robust on this front than it was in the '30s and '40s, in this time that Im writing about. And he sort of leaves the clan and forms a successor organization, and then joins with all these American fascists, including those who are in touch with Hitlers government, to create a plan to build an American fascist, to create an American violent fascist to overthrow here. The effort to replace Hayes has been complicated by three factors: First, Lack has been too busy trying to relaunch MSNBC -- and the career of Brian Williams, the former NBC Nightly News anchor . Like, please, because thats like --. I just think we need some energy in it. Rachel Maddow: And your country will respond to you not necessarily by declaring your behavior illegal because it may not be --. Rachel Maddow: -- you know, get them arrested. And so, we had to decide whether or not this was the enemy within. A Goodwill branch has, too. I was burning myself out physically and mentally in a way that meant that I was not going to be able to keep doing this for very long. Chris Hayes: -- tools of liberal democracy. And shes just this devout, young Catholic woman whos disgusted by it, who infiltrates them, starts on newspaper, pressures the police, gets them raided and takes it on herself, and then --. It's easier to do hard work for a long time when you like what you're doing and you like the production of it. Jack Davis is a freelance writer who joined The Western Journal in July 2015 and chronicled the campaign that saw President Donald Trump elected. Rachel Maddow: -- sort of a bit player in this story and theyre actually supported by the Hitler government. I'm not spoiling it. It is a fascist myth to believe that you need a strong man to lead a fascist movement where you need is people who have an appetite. Maddow joins WITHpod to discuss what shes been up to, how she found the story thats told in her new podcast, the editorial and creative process that has followed and more. Chris Hayes: -- word for word Goebbels's speech in his newsletter. If you're doing something in 90 seconds, it's like there's just a lot more room for error, right? And the demand, I am very obsessed in the notion of like the demand side for fascism as opposed to supply side --. Previous Post. Chris Hayes: So here's the thing, so we're going to get in the topic, but what was so striking to me, and this sort of goes back to what I was trying to get at the monologue, there is just this inimitable thing. And they sent a sort of wunderkind prosecutor down to Louisiana. Chris Hayes speaks with MSNBC anchor, author and friend Rachel Maddow about her new podcast, "Rachel Maddow Presents: Ultra" and more. The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell. I mean, yeah, weve got really radical right-wing media, but we dont have anything like that. "The Rachel Maddow Show" generates nearly 1 million viewers more than bookend programs hosted by Chris Hayes and Lawrence O'Donnell. But I have to ask. Chris Hayes: And you basically got to just constantly work at it, which I think is both more realistic and not the story were told, but is very much illustrated by the story you are telling. Chris Hayes is married to Kate A. Shaw who is an associate professor of law at Benjamin N. Cardozo School of Law. Some of it was, you know, a hostile foreign power, but a lot of it was native borne. He is also the host of the Up with Chris Hayes show which airs on weekends. Update 2:45 p.m. PT: TheWrap spoke with Chris Hayes, newly named weekend MSNBC host, on Monday about his new show, TV mentor Rachel Maddow and the impossibility of covering the debt crisis.. The Beat with Ari Melber. Rachel Maddow: And so I think, talking about Coughlin, I mean, his newspaper is called "Social Justice" --, Rachel Maddow: -- right? On Tuesday, Hayes posted a photo of himself with Rachel Maddow on his Twitter account. They do that over and over in the workrooms and the app gets better and better and tighter and tighter, and the really good ones come up with something amazing that they could show up at any room across the country and kill. I mean, obviously it's your voice, and you have a very good voice technically, but a Rachel Maddow way of telling a story that happens in this podcast where it's like, "I'm in it. They say, search it up, "Dad, can you search that up?" Harriet Johnson, I only took out in the draft before you got that rough cut, so --, Chris Hayes: Right, because you didn't want to give me two names that I had to manage --. So that part of it, like, what have you learned from that storytelling process that you bring over now? You can focus on any one of them. Maddow is best known for hosting MSNBC's The Rachel Maddow Show.She is known . Rachel Maddow: And I'm really grateful. Rachel Maddow: James Comey, right? That deal will give Maddow, the highest-rated host on MSNBC, a jaw-dropping $30 million per year to keep her with the company through the 2024 election, according to four people familiar with the matter. January 17th is when they got arrested. One of her new projects is "Rachel Maddow Presents: Ultra," a podcast all about the history of pre-World-War-two American fascism, and those who worked to stop it. Similarly, with the great sedition trial in 1944, which is sort of amazing that they brought it in 1944 --, Chris Hayes: Right, yes, right, right, right --, Rachel Maddow: -- given what happened in 1940 when they tried it against the Christian Front, that trial has gone down in history as a failure or as a sideshow or, in some cases, as a debacle because it wasn't a successful prosecution. But I do think that the power that he has over his listeners and the power he has to influence events makes him fall in love with the idea of the strong man as the savior --. In the "National Day of Racial Healing: An MSNBC Town Hall," MSNBC's Chris Hayes, Joy Reid and Trymaine Lee talk with activists, journalists, artists and experts to explore the harm racism has caused in our society, and to consider how we might heal from it. Is this a real story? Deadline: White House. I'm happy to read it. And the Justice Department, youre the Justice Department, you cant do that. And how much do you think about suspense? In an interview with MSNBC colleague Rachel Maddow, Hayes said that people are increasingly realizing that January 6th, 2021 was actually a "very big thing." "It's just really hard to convict. Rachel Maddow: The clan is a fascist terrorist movement --, Rachel Maddow: -- in this country. Luckily for us, her decision to dial back from the nightly cable news grind has allowed her to create a work in new media. and. We were against them --. Rachel Maddow: Oh, in terms of legitimately not knowing what's coming next? Chris Hayes: -- its a very good compelling story. Earlier in his program, Hayes recounted an. You know, and so were like Im playing YouTube clips of Huey Long speeches. Just so incredibly perfect that I have a typo in this tweet. Chris Hayes: You know, so there are these attempts that fail where its like, no, you cant do that. Chris Hayes: And all that nasty unseemliness in '39 and '40 --, Rachel Maddow: We beat them. Hayes is not the only one who had to recently explain why a swastika has appeared in a place where it would hardly be expected, according to news reports. Similarly, his birthplace is Norwood, Bronx. The 8 p.m. MSNBC show hosted by Chris Hayes averaged a 1.4 rating in June, down slightly from a 1.5 in May. Rachel Maddow: And that magic of being like, the show is over, I'm going to --. There were 130 million Americans in terms of our population at the time, 30 million of them every week were listening to him. Chris Hayes: "I think the future is unwritten, and anyone who tells you they know what's going to happen is wrong. Chris Hayes, Nico Parker: N/A: Late Show Presents: Meanwhile. In an interview with MSNBC colleague Rachel Maddow, Hayes said that people are increasingly realizing that January 6th, 2021 was actually a "very big thing." "It's just really hard to convict. Now, this is basically the standard for American League home run leaders for like the entirety of the first 20 years of the 20th century. No one knows or even cares if Biden's story is true. Chris Hayes: Yes, but the opening scene of this podcast, you're just, like, I don't know who this guy is. You can see more of our work, including links to things we mentioned here, by going to nbcnews.com/whyisthishappening. On Tuesday, Hayes posted a photo of himself with Rachel Maddow on his Twitter account. If you listen to Bagman, it'll be familiar, but it's also different and new. That happening at the same time that members of Congress and members of the United States Senate were being roped into a plan involving a Nazi agent to, not just sort of leverage their pro-German or antiwar sympathies, but actually do Hitler's work in this country. Some were acquitted, the rest were off in a mistrial. And that, to me, is energizing and exciting, and it opens up all these other lines of inquiry, like, one of the things Charles Gallagher writes about in his book is this character Francis Sweeney who tragically dies very young, who played this incredibly intrepid role in exposing the Christian Front in Boston, which was taking funding from the Hitler government, which was showing German military propaganda movies, which was running pogrom-style violence against Boston Jews. And my friend and colleague, Rachel Maddow, is one of those people. So all that said, it is a great pleasure to have the one and only Rachel Maddow. Into America. After Maddow's nine-week sabbatical, she returned to The Rachel Maddow Show on April 11 and made it official for her viewers: They'd have her four nights a week through the end of the month,. I was really interested in some of the sort of deep, radical right, ultra-right stuff that was happening in the country in the post-World War II era leading into the Reagan era. Rachel Maddow: It is great. And the thing that I thought was beautiful about this is that, at the end of this whole thing, exposing the Christian Front and talking about how theyre essentially --. So we got January 6th attack on the Capitol. . You know what I mean? Chris Hayes (@chrislhayes) October 5, 2022 "Just so incredibly perfect that I have a typo in this tweet. He is encouraging America that the leaders we need to be emulating are Mussolini and Franco, and he calls for his followers to form armed militia cells to train with weapons, to go the Franco way, to go the way of fascism in this country. Yeah, it's about titrating that stuff. It was stopped when the FBI arrested these perpetrators on January 17th, right. We love your feedback, so tweet us the hashtag #WITHpod, e-mail WITHpod@gmail.com. I don't know. How are you going to take this very distinct, particular, you know, I think generational ability to tell stories in other fashions and forms and genres. And you need the prosecution, you need the investigation, you need the Justice Department to be engaged in things like this, but it's actually not the solution. He served like nine months, wrote Mein Kampf --, Rachel Maddow: -- perfected his ideas of propaganda as being the way to not just seize power but hold power, came out, took him 10 years, and within --. Rachel Maddow: Like, you and I have talked about this over the years, about how important that is and how you make sure with your staff there's an expectation that nobody is working through the weekend --, Rachel Maddow: -- yes, stuff comes up and there's --. 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